Jeff Kipnis and Bahram Shirdel take turns to discuss the research and work of their practice. Jeff Kipnis is a critic, theorist, curator, filmmaker, and a Professor at the Knowlton School of Architecture, Ohio State University, and was the founder and first Director of the AA Graduate Design Group, the forerunner of the AADRL. Bahram Shirdel is a Tehran-based architect. He taught at Harvard GSD and is a former co-director of the AAGDG.